Sir Roger Penrose & William Lane Craig • The Universe: How did it get here & why are we part of it?

I think your description of Penrose's belief does not match a podcast I recently watched where he discusses these topics with the Christian apologist William Lane Craig [1]. In fact, he explicitly states early on in that video that he sees the world of ideas as primary as opposed to Craig's view that consciousness is primary. At any rate, this video might serve as a quick introduction to Penrose's three world idea for those interested. 1. ▶ this video

I found it interesting, even though I don't (yet?) understand it, that Sir Roger Penrose in this talk/debate with William Lane Craig talks about that "you can have a temporal order without having a time associated with that": ▶ this video

Sir Roger Penrose and Dr William Lane Craig had an interesting discussion[0] that included him talking about the Big Bounce (around the 50-minute mark). [0] ▶ this video