Totally Gridbag

Absolutely agree, provided you use a layout manager that isn't brain damaged. Anyone remember this video? ▶ this video - Totally Gridbag

well we're talking about the tooling, but point taken, swing wasn't perfect (totally grid bag 2007 short ▶ this video ) but it's not like it was that worse than flex bugs ( link still does render differently in chrome than firefox - which one is wrong is immaterial)

It's a double edged sword. On the one hand, you know what APIs they've committed to and won't change. On the other hand, often you want to extend more then they would "allow". And because you're wrapping their APIs, when those APIs change, you should only have to change your code in the one place where you overloaded them. There's a lot of bad things said about JFC/Swing, I won't repeat them here, but it did allow you to extend almost everything. And as a side note, GridBagLayout is powerful and elegant, despite what some people say: ▶ this video