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Bertrand's Paradox (with 3blue1brown) - Numberphile

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Numberphile interviews Grant Sanderson of 3blue1brown about Bertrand's paradox, where different reasonable ways of picking a random chord of a circle give different probabilities.

Cited in threads on random sampling as a clear illustration of how reasonable-sounding random choices can give biased results.

Probability & game theoryRecreational & visual math#bertrand'sparadox#randomsampling#geometry#3blue1brown#probability

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@olliej2024 · in “How to generate uniformly random points on n-spheres and in n-balls”

I was always surprised at how easily you get biased sampling when generating random points despite all input - something I often saw students do was essentially normalize({2 rand() - 1, 2 rand() - 1, 2 rand() - 1}) or variations of that (where rand() is "good" not the literal rand(3)), and there are numerous other ways that are more subtly wrong. IIRC the nominally correct way for a sphere specifically is something like a=rand() b=rand() and the random point is something* like { cos(a) sin(b), sin(b), cos(a) cos(b) }[1] I think the best illustration of "reasonable choices of what random values should be used leading to biased results" is Bertrand's paradox which I was introduced to via numberphile/3blue1brown: ▶ this video and am just glad that nothing I have ever needed random sampling for has ever been important :D [1] please don't use this blindly, I'm really just going off very old recollection, if you need it google random sphere sampling :D

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@zootboy2023 · in “Random(Random(Random(Random())))”

In a related vein, there's a Numberphile / 3B1B video about the pitfalls of plotting randomness in a circle: ▶ this video

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@Dave_Rosenthal2022 · in “Uniformly Sample Points in a Disk”

So points in a circle is pretty basic, but it does remind me of a nice 3Blue1Brown video ( ▶ this video ) about random chords of a circle. Some of these 'generate a random sample' situations can be quite non-obvious. edit: The video is about 'Bertrand's Paradox' that another post references.

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